Can Americans trust the Government?

[NickyK]

The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years
to get it right and it is broke.

Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get
it right and it is broke.

Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it
right and it is broke.

War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right;
$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.

Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years
to get it right and they are broke.

Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it
right and it is broke.

The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32
years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars

AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-
RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

[Starvin Marvin]

In article

Post by NickyK
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years
to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get
it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it
right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right;
$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years
to get it right and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it
right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32
years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-
RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

Thanks for posting the Conservative Corporatist talking points memo
for today, NickyK.

I suppose, by implication, we should just let the models of
efficiency- like Enron, Haliburton, UnitedHealth Group, KBR, and
WalMart run everything without regulation, huh? You make me laugh.

[NickyK]

Post by Starvin Marvin
In article

Post by NickyK
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years
to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get
it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it
right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right;
$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years
to get it right and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it
right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32
years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-
RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

   Thanks for posting the Conservative Corporatist talking points memo
for today, NickyK.
   I suppose, by implication, we should just let the models of
efficiency- like Enron, Haliburton, UnitedHealth Group, KBR, and
WalMart run everything without regulation, huh? You make me laugh.- Hide quoted text -
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ROTFLMFAO......nice try pok-chop

[Methuselah]

Post by Starvin Marvin
In article

Post by NickyK
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years
to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get
it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it
right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right;
$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years
to get it right and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it
right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32
years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-
RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

Thanks for posting the Conservative Corporatist talking points memo
for today, NickyK.
I suppose, by implication, we should just let the models of
efficiency- like Enron, Haliburton, UnitedHealth Group, KBR, and
WalMart run everything without regulation, huh? You make me laugh.

Any statement you'd like to refute with facts? Nah, just a bunch of
worthless assertions that have no meaning in the context.

[Bill Curnutte]

Hey guys,
Please don't feed the trolls!

[CigarBaron]

Post by Bill Curnutte
Hey guys,
Please don't feed the trolls!

They just don't get it.
CigarBaron

[Tom S.]

Post by Methuselah

Post by Starvin Marvin
In article
Thanks for posting the Conservative Corporatist talking points memo
for today, NickyK.
I suppose, by implication, we should just let the models of
efficiency- like Enron, Haliburton, UnitedHealth Group, KBR, and
WalMart run everything without regulation, huh? You make me laugh.

Any statement you'd like to refute with facts? Nah, just a bunch of
worthless assertions that have no meaning in the context.

If you're going to feed the trolls, at least delete their psychotic ravings.

[Tim Daneliuk]

Post by Starvin Marvin
In article

Post by NickyK
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years
to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get
it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it
right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right;
$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years
to get it right and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it
right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32
years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-
RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

Thanks for posting the Conservative Corporatist talking points memo
for today, NickyK.
I suppose, by implication, we should just let the models of
efficiency- like Enron, Haliburton, UnitedHealth Group, KBR, and
WalMart run everything without regulation, huh? You make me laugh.

I ordinarly ignore NickyK's stuff because he persists in being
rude by not marking his stuff as OT. I'll make an exception in
this case because, you sir, are quite wrong:


I have personally spent a great deal of time working with Wal-Mart at
their HQ. I assure you that they: A) Run their company VERY
efficiently, B) They do so with very high levels of integrity and C)
They take very good care of their employees who largely love working
for them. Only the haughty children of affluence that have never had
to worry for much in their lives think Wal-Mart is a bad place.

I, for one, would love to outsource the entire administration of the
government to Wal-Mart. We'd cut government size in half and end up
making a profit while employing lots and lots of hard working
fellow-citizens in other, more productive, jobs.

[Methuselah]

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Starvin Marvin
In article

Post by NickyK
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years
to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get
it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it
right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right;
$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years
to get it right and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it
right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32
years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-
RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

Thanks for posting the Conservative Corporatist talking points memo
for today, NickyK.
I suppose, by implication, we should just let the models of
efficiency- like Enron, Haliburton, UnitedHealth Group, KBR, and
WalMart run everything without regulation, huh? You make me laugh.

I ordinarly ignore NickyK's stuff because he persists in being
rude by not marking his stuff as OT. I'll make an exception in
I have personally spent a great deal of time working with Wal-Mart at
their HQ. I assure you that they: A) Run their company VERY
efficiently, B) They do so with very high levels of integrity and C)
They take very good care of their employees who largely love working
for them. Only the haughty children of affluence that have never had
to worry for much in their lives think Wal-Mart is a bad place.
I, for one, would love to outsource the entire administration of the
government to Wal-Mart. We'd cut government size in half and end up
making a profit while employing lots and lots of hard working
fellow-citizens in other, more productive, jobs.

Thank you. That was a great post. Unfortunately, NickyK, Paul and
others won't agree with anything you've said. They believe what they've
been told by the spin doctors and don't have the analytical capacity to
do otherwise.

[Biff]

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Starvin Marvin
In article

Post by NickyK
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years
to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get
it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it
right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right;
$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years
to get it right and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it
right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32
years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-
RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

Thanks for posting the Conservative Corporatist talking points memo
for today, NickyK.
I suppose, by implication, we should just let the models of
efficiency- like Enron, Haliburton, UnitedHealth Group, KBR, and
WalMart run everything without regulation, huh? You make me laugh.

I ordinarly ignore NickyK's stuff because he persists in being
rude by not marking his stuff as OT. I'll make an exception in
I have personally spent a great deal of time working with Wal-Mart at
their HQ. I assure you that they: A) Run their company VERY
efficiently, B) They do so with very high levels of integrity and C)
They take very good care of their employees who largely love working
for them. Only the haughty children of affluence that have never had
to worry for much in their lives think Wal-Mart is a bad place.
I, for one, would love to outsource the entire administration of the
government to Wal-Mart. We'd cut government size in half and end up
making a profit while employing lots and lots of hard working
fellow-citizens in other, more productive, jobs.

AMEN!

[Ngo Dinh Diem]

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Starvin Marvin
In article

Post by NickyK
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years
to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get
it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it
right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right;
$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years
to get it right and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it
right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32
years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-
RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

   Thanks for posting the Conservative Corporatist talking points memo
for today, NickyK.
   I suppose, by implication, we should just let the models of
efficiency- like Enron, Haliburton, UnitedHealth Group, KBR, and
WalMart run everything without regulation, huh? You make me laugh.

I ordinarly ignore NickyK's stuff because he persists in being
rude by not marking his stuff as OT.  I'll make an exception in
I have personally spent a great deal of time working with Wal-Mart at
their HQ. I assure you that they: A) Run their company VERY
efficiently, B) They do so with very high levels of integrity and C)
They take very good care of their employees who largely love working
for them. Only the haughty children of affluence that have never had
to worry for much in their lives think Wal-Mart is a bad place.
I, for one, would love to outsource the entire administration of the
government to Wal-Mart. We'd cut government size in half and end up
making a profit while employing lots and lots of hard working
fellow-citizens in other, more productive, jobs.
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Oh that really is priceless. I loved the part where you said "They
take very good care of their employees who largely love working for
them". What is worrying is that you actually believe this nonsense.
Everyone knows that Walmart treats their employees like slaves, there
have been numerous documentaries, books and reports on their
behaviour. Their employees most certainly do not "love" working for
them, especially given the ghastly work hours, lack of adequate health
insurance plans (for which the American taxpayer subsidises Walmart)
and degrading treatment at the hands of petty middle managers. Most
work there out of utter desperation without any alternative, thus
making the "choice" an empty one at that.
Good luck convincing actual low-level employees of your ultra-
conservative views, I am sure they will take to them like a duck to
water!
Peter.

[Tim Daneliuk]

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Starvin Marvin
In article

Post by NickyK
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years
to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get
it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it
right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right;
$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years
to get it right and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it
right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32
years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-
RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

Thanks for posting the Conservative Corporatist talking points memo
for today, NickyK.
I suppose, by implication, we should just let the models of
efficiency- like Enron, Haliburton, UnitedHealth Group, KBR, and
WalMart run everything without regulation, huh? You make me laugh.

I ordinarly ignore NickyK's stuff because he persists in being
rude by not marking his stuff as OT. I'll make an exception in
I have personally spent a great deal of time working with Wal-Mart at
their HQ. I assure you that they: A) Run their company VERY
efficiently, B) They do so with very high levels of integrity and C)
They take very good care of their employees who largely love working
for them. Only the haughty children of affluence that have never had
to worry for much in their lives think Wal-Mart is a bad place.
I, for one, would love to outsource the entire administration of the
government to Wal-Mart. We'd cut government size in half and end up
making a profit while employing lots and lots of hard working
fellow-citizens in other, more productive, jobs.
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Oh that really is priceless. I loved the part where you said "They
take very good care of their employees who largely love working for
them". What is worrying is that you actually believe this nonsense.
Everyone knows that Walmart treats their employees like slaves, there
have been numerous documentaries, books and reports on their
behaviour. Their employees most certainly do not "love" working for
them, especially given the ghastly work hours, lack of adequate health
insurance plans (for which the American taxpayer subsidises Walmart)
and degrading treatment at the hands of petty middle managers. Most
work there out of utter desperation without any alternative, thus
making the "choice" an empty one at that.
Good luck convincing actual low-level employees of your ultra-
conservative views, I am sure they will take to them like a duck to
water!
Peter.

The difference between me and you is that everything you "know" comes
out of some idiotic left wing screed - some rectal academic apologia
for the puerline, drooling, moronic ideas of the intellectual left.
What I "know" in this case comes from actually working with those
workers to whom you deign to condescend. I know what I said is
entirely true because I witnessed it. I witnessed Wal-Mart leadership
behaving with great integrity. I witnessed the organization as a whole
working very efficiently. And yes, Sparky, I witnessed virtually every
employee and former employee I met saying mostly good things about
Wal-Mart as an employer.

Now, when you think you're man enough to quit sponging off the
taxpaying public for your ENTIRE paycheck, why don't you do some real
work and become a Wal-Mart employee. Besides helping rid your of your
sophomoric understanding of the world, it will do several other
things: a) It will provide you with an endless supply of free toilet
paper as you finally make proper use of the writings of Zinn and
Chomsky and their fellow travelers. b) It will teach what real work
looks like. c) It will cause you to develop a deep appreciation of
just how valuable companies like Wal-Mart are to the world economy.

You are now free to return to wasting the monies of your fellow
citizens.

P.S. You're even stupider than you sound if you think I am even
remotely "ultra conservative."

[Randy]

OK...let's assume everything you say is true. It does not change the
fact that the number one job that the Government has is to uphold the
Constitution, plain and simple. I do not recall anywhwere in the
Constitution that says the govenment needs to provide A) Jobs, or B)
Healthcare. Too bad for the American Public that the Governmant has
lost sight of this. Back to the original header...NO the American
People should not trust the Government. Now maybe instead of spouting
off about what you would like the Governmant to do and maybe, just
maybe you read up a bit on what the Government is responsible for
doing, well...then maybe we could have an inteligent discussion.
Until then...nuff said.

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem
Oh that really is priceless. I loved the part where you said "They
take very good care of their employees who largely love working for
them". What is worrying is that you actually believe this nonsense.
Everyone knows that Walmart treats their employees like slaves, there
have been numerous documentaries, books and reports on their
behaviour. Their employees most certainly do not "love" working for
them, especially given the ghastly work hours, lack of adequate health
insurance plans (for which the American taxpayer subsidises Walmart)
and degrading treatment at the hands of petty middle managers. Most
work there out of utter desperation without any alternative, thus
making the "choice" an empty one at that.
Good luck convincing actual low-level employees of your ultra-
conservative views, I am sure they will take to them like a duck to
water!
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[Tom S.]

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem
Oh that really is priceless. I loved the part where you said "They
take very good care of their employees who largely love working for
them". What is worrying is that you actually believe this nonsense.
Everyone knows that Walmart treats their employees like slaves, there
have been numerous documentaries, books and reports on their
behaviour.

All anecdotal.

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem
Their employees most certainly do not "love" working for
them, especially given the ghastly work hours, lack of adequate health
insurance plans (for which the American taxpayer subsidises Walmart)
and degrading treatment at the hands of petty middle managers. Most
work there out of utter desperation without any alternative, thus
making the "choice" an empty one at that.

For people generally unskilled it's a much better deal than anywhere
else, otherwise they'd flock to those other jobs.

On intersting point, when Walmart opens a store, they get around 8,000
applications for about 315 openings. Roughtly a 25:1 ratio. Even Ivy
League colleges gat about a 10:1 ratio of applicants to openings.

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem
Good luck convincing actual low-level employees of your ultra-
conservative views, I am sure they will take to them like a duck to
water!
Peter.

Good luck with your whiny, pretentious BS in getting out of your bottom
level job.

[Methuselah]

Post by Tom S.

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem
Oh that really is priceless. I loved the part where you said "They
take very good care of their employees who largely love working for
them". What is worrying is that you actually believe this nonsense.
Everyone knows that Walmart treats their employees like slaves, there
have been numerous documentaries, books and reports on their
behaviour.

All anecdotal.

And inspired by the union.

Post by Tom S.

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem
Their employees most certainly do not "love" working for
them, especially given the ghastly work hours, lack of adequate health
insurance plans (for which the American taxpayer subsidises Walmart)
and degrading treatment at the hands of petty middle managers. Most
work there out of utter desperation without any alternative, thus
making the "choice" an empty one at that.

For people generally unskilled it's a much better deal than anywhere
else, otherwise they'd flock to those other jobs.
On intersting point, when Walmart opens a store, they get around 8,000
applications for about 315 openings. Roughtly a 25:1 ratio. Even Ivy
League colleges gat about a 10:1 ratio of applicants to openings.

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem
Good luck convincing actual low-level employees of your ultra-
conservative views, I am sure they will take to them like a duck to
water!
Peter.

Good luck with your whiny, pretentious BS in getting out of your
bottom level job.

[Tim Daneliuk]

Post by Tom S.

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem
Oh that really is priceless. I loved the part where you said "They
take very good care of their employees who largely love working for
them". What is worrying is that you actually believe this nonsense.
Everyone knows that Walmart treats their employees like slaves, there
have been numerous documentaries, books and reports on their
behaviour.

All anecdotal.

Whereas I wrote from direct experience with the population
in question.

Post by Tom S.

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem
Their employees most certainly do not "love" working for
them, especially given the ghastly work hours, lack of adequate health
insurance plans (for which the American taxpayer subsidises Walmart)
and degrading treatment at the hands of petty middle managers. Most
work there out of utter desperation without any alternative, thus
making the "choice" an empty one at that.

For people generally unskilled it's a much better deal than anywhere
else, otherwise they'd flock to those other jobs.

Not to mention the people they serve. If you've never been poor
it's hard to grasp that the $0.05 you save on a gallon of milk
makes a huge difference to many people.

Post by Tom S.
On intersting point, when Walmart opens a store, they get around 8,000
applications for about 315 openings. Roughtly a 25:1 ratio. Even Ivy
League colleges gat about a 10:1 ratio of applicants to openings.

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem
Good luck convincing actual low-level employees of your ultra-
conservative views, I am sure they will take to them like a duck to
water!
Peter.

Good luck with your whiny, pretentious BS in getting out of your bottom
level job.

But Peter is an academic. Funded by the good people of NZ whether
they like it or not. His job is not "bottom level". It is paid
for independent of results, integrity, or correlation to reality.
I briefly spent some time in the academy. It's a marvelous place
full of very smart, often well intentioned people. Unfortunately,
a good many of them never let Reality get in the way of their theories.
I have little doubt that Peter and I would have a wonderful time over
a bowl chatting about our views. The problem is that he doesn't have
the feedback mechanism people in the real world do - most academics
do not. In a perfect world, he'd have the privilege I have experienced
of working side-by-side with the folks in a company like Wal-Mart - it
would profoundly change his worldview. Alas, it will never be.

[Tom S.]

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Tom S.
Good luck with your whiny, pretentious BS in getting out of your bottom
level job.

But Peter is an academic. Funded by the good people of NZ whether
they like it or not. His job is not "bottom level". It is paid
for independent of results, integrity, or correlation to reality.
I briefly spent some time in the academy. It's a marvelous place
full of very smart, often well intentioned people.

Who would last a day in the public sector, or whose business would flop
in the first financial period.

[Tim Daneliuk]

Post by Tom S.

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Tom S.
Good luck with your whiny, pretentious BS in getting out of your bottom
level job.

But Peter is an academic. Funded by the good people of NZ whether
they like it or not. His job is not "bottom level". It is paid
for independent of results, integrity, or correlation to reality.
I briefly spent some time in the academy. It's a marvelous place
full of very smart, often well intentioned people.

Who would last a day in the public sector, or whose business would flop
in the first financial period.

Not necessarily. A good many academics are bright, capable people
that need an injection of Reality into their world. There are many
examples of successful transitions from academics to business.
Sun Microsystems leaps to mind.

[Mickey]

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Tom S.

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Tom S.
Good luck with your whiny, pretentious BS in getting out of your bottom
level job.

But Peter is an academic. Funded by the good people of NZ whether
they like it or not. His job is not "bottom level". It is paid
for independent of results, integrity, or correlation to reality.
I briefly spent some time in the academy. It's a marvelous place
full of very smart, often well intentioned people.

Who would last a day in the public sector, or whose business would flop
in the first financial period.

Not necessarily. A good many academics are bright, capable people
that need an injection of Reality into their world. There are many
examples of successful transitions from academics to business.
Sun Microsystems leaps to mind.

It would depend on how flexible and realistic they are. If they are
too wedded to their long-haired academic theories about how things
"should be" as opposed to how things really are, they will fail.

If they are willing to adapt to reality over theory, they may survive.

[Tom S.]

Post by Mickey

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Tom S.
Who would last a day in the public sector, or whose business would flop
in the first financial period.

Not necessarily. A good many academics are bright, capable people
that need an injection of Reality into their world. There are many
examples of successful transitions from academics to business.
Sun Microsystems leaps to mind.

It would depend on how flexible and realistic they are. If they are
too wedded to their long-haired academic theories about how things
"should be" as opposed to how things really are, they will fail.

Cite? Just kidding;

In the hard sciences they last only if they are wedded to reality; in
the liberal arts, they succeed the more they're off in LaLa land.

In the theoretical sciences (Cosmology, theoretical physics, etc.)
there's been some great, outstanding work, but over the past 60 years,
I'd say the overwhelming majority of R&D funding has been wasted on cranks.

In economic and environmental "sciences", probably 90% has gone
"proving" the government position.

Post by Mickey
If they are willing to adapt to reality over theory, they may survive.

As above.

[bluewind]

Trust the Government--not for a minute--many major polls show that
Obama has lost the confidence and trust of most of our citizens
.
Like the Soviet Politburo in the past, under cover of darkness, the
Lib's have secretly crafted the Health Care Bill behind closed doors,
without the transparency Obama promised so many times; and have shoved
it down our throats.
How many times did Obama promise to televise every step on C--SPAN?
We will pay for this dearly--shouldn't we be allowed to see how it's
done? Citizens should have been demanding transparency in the
negotiations process; furthermore, a bipartisan committee negotiating
this bill.
The Libs are in total control--checks and balances be damned--if they
wanted to be transparent, if they wanted the public to be informed,
the process would have been out there for all to see. Typically, in
conference committee, both sides of the aisle are represented. Not
doing so now is an abuse of tradition and the rules. The Libs follow
the party line as set by Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. We are experiencing
one party rule.
Furthermore, using bling from the White House to buy votes to pass
this was outrageous--this is how Obama uses the stimulus money--our
money--bribes to pave the way.
Obama and the LIbs have absolute power and exercise this power
unjustly and cruelly. After witnessing the Lib's despotic behaviour
and abuse of authority for a year; led by a: tyrannical, narcissistic,
political neophyte, and Ideologue--I do not trust Obama and the Lib's.
American citizens are losing their sense of citizenship, losing their
sense of humanity, losing their sense of being--how can we trust this
government.

[Paul Szabady]

Post by bluewind
Trust the Government--not for a minute--many major polls show that
Obama has lost the confidence and trust of most of our citizens
.
Like the Soviet Politburo in the past, under cover of darkness, the
Lib's have secretly crafted the Health Care Bill behind closed doors,
without the transparency Obama promised so many times; and have shoved
it down our throats.
How many times did Obama promise to televise every step on C--SPAN?
We will pay for this dearly--shouldn't we be allowed to see how it's
done? Citizens should have been demanding transparency in the
negotiations process; furthermore, a bipartisan committee negotiating
this bill.
The Libs are in total control--checks and balances be damned--if they
wanted to be transparent, if they wanted the public to be informed,
the process would have been out there for all to see. Typically, in
conference committee, both sides of the aisle are represented. Not
doing so now is an abuse of tradition and the rules. The Libs follow
the party line as set by Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. We are experiencing
one party rule.
Furthermore, using bling from the White House to buy votes to pass
this was outrageous--this is how Obama uses the stimulus money--our
money--bribes to pave the way.
Obama and the LIbs have absolute power and exercise this power
unjustly and cruelly. After witnessing the Lib's despotic behaviour
and abuse of authority for a year; led by a: tyrannical, narcissistic,
political neophyte, and Ideologue--I do not trust Obama and the Lib's.
American citizens are losing their sense of citizenship, losing their
sense of humanity, losing their sense of being--how can we trust this
government.

"Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep;
Starts when you're always afraid..."

- Buffalo Springfield

[Tim Daneliuk]

Post by Paul Szabady

Post by bluewind
Trust the Government--not for a minute--many major polls show that
Obama has lost the confidence and trust of most of our citizens
.
Like the Soviet Politburo in the past, under cover of darkness, the
Lib's have secretly crafted the Health Care Bill behind closed doors,
without the transparency Obama promised so many times; and have shoved
it down our throats.
How many times did Obama promise to televise every step on C--SPAN?
We will pay for this dearly--shouldn't we be allowed to see how it's
done? Citizens should have been demanding transparency in the
negotiations process; furthermore, a bipartisan committee negotiating
this bill.
The Libs are in total control--checks and balances be damned--if they
wanted to be transparent, if they wanted the public to be informed,
the process would have been out there for all to see. Typically, in
conference committee, both sides of the aisle are represented. Not
doing so now is an abuse of tradition and the rules. The Libs follow
the party line as set by Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. We are experiencing
one party rule.
Furthermore, using bling from the White House to buy votes to pass
this was outrageous--this is how Obama uses the stimulus money--our
money--bribes to pave the way.
Obama and the LIbs have absolute power and exercise this power
unjustly and cruelly. After witnessing the Lib's despotic behaviour
and abuse of authority for a year; led by a: tyrannical, narcissistic,
political neophyte, and Ideologue--I do not trust Obama and the Lib's.
American citizens are losing their sense of citizenship, losing their
sense of humanity, losing their sense of being--how can we trust this
government.

"Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep;
Starts when you're always afraid..."
- Buffalo Springfield

Examples of government "successes" when trusted by the public:

The War On Drugs
The War On Poverty
The War On Obesity
Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac
Welfare
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
The War On Terror
Preservation Of Privacy


About the only thing the Feds, at least, have ever gotten right is the DOJ
and the DOD.

[Miss Elaine Eos]

Post by Mickey

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Tom S.
Who would last a day in the public sector, or whose business would flop
in the first financial period.

Not necessarily. A good many academics are bright, capable people
that need an injection of Reality into their world. There are many
examples of successful transitions from academics to business.
Sun Microsystems leaps to mind.

It would depend on how flexible and realistic they are.

...And how flexible we are with our definition of "successful" ;)

Sun had a good run but, in the end, I think it's approach to reality
was its weakness. This could be traced back to its roots.

Post by Mickey
If they are willing to adapt to reality over theory, they may survive.

And so with Sun.

[Bilbo]

Post by Mickey
It would depend on how flexible and realistic they are. If they are
too wedded to their long-haired academic theories about how things
"should be" as opposed to how things really are, they will fail.

This is unfair. Not all people with long hair are liberal morons. A
few examples would include:

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and of course me. I'm not a liberal, not so sure about the moron
part.

Bilbo

[Tom S.]

Post by Bilbo

Post by Mickey
It would depend on how flexible and realistic they are. If they are
too wedded to their long-haired academic theories about how things
"should be" as opposed to how things really are, they will fail.

This is unfair. Not all people with long hair are liberal morons. A
http://fidelisentertainment.com/images/misc/cover-FoundingFathers.jpg

Those are wigs (or Whigs, as the case may be :-P )

Post by Bilbo
and of course me. I'm not a liberal, not so sure about the moron
part.

Caricature!

[Bilbo]

Post by Mickey
It would depend on how flexible and realistic they are. If they are
too wedded to their long-haired academic theories about how things
"should be" as opposed to how things really are, they will fail.

This is unfair.  Not all people with long hair are liberal morons.  A
http://fidelisentertainment.com/images/misc/cover-FoundingFathers.jpg

Those are wigs (or Whigs, as the case may be :-P )> and of course me.  I'm not a liberal, not so sure about the moron

part.

Caricature!

I don't know for a fact about the rest, you are probably right about
the wigs on most, but Washington didn't wear a wig. That's his real
hair, and if if you could see through the pants his giant brass nuts
too. I hate that long hair has become associated with hippies and
liberals. A lot of very tough very patriotic and very hard working
people have had long hair in this country. Not, to bash anyone here,
I know it was a joke, but I have a personal pet peeve about the long
hair issue. I really don't like hippies but I get stereotyped as one
of them because of my long hair, except that I wash mine. I think
that dreads and nappy hair is gross.

Lanes BCA in a cheap rustic bent billiard while I do dishes.

Happy puffing,
Bilbo

[Tom S.]

Post by Bilbo

Post by Bilbo

Post by Mickey
It would depend on how flexible and realistic they are. If they are
too wedded to their long-haired academic theories about how things
"should be" as opposed to how things really are, they will fail.

This is unfair. Not all people with long hair are liberal morons. A
http://fidelisentertainment.com/images/misc/cover-FoundingFathers.jpg

Those are wigs (or Whigs, as the case may be :-P )> and of course me. I'm not a liberal, not so sure about the moron

Post by Bilbo
part.

Caricature!

I don't know for a fact about the rest, you are probably right about
the wigs on most, but Washington didn't wear a wig.

Actually, it was Jefferson that didn't wear wigs.

Post by Bilbo
That's his real
hair, and if if you could see through the pants his giant brass nuts
too. I hate that long hair has become associated with hippies and
liberals. A lot of very tough very patriotic and very hard working
people have had long hair in this country. Not, to bash anyone here,
I know it was a joke, but I have a personal pet peeve about the long
hair issue. I really don't like hippies but I get stereotyped as one
of them because of my long hair, except that I wash mine. I think
that dreads and nappy hair is gross.

You need to look up C&W star Trace Adkins (for one). Definitely NOT a
hippy.

[Tom S.]

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Tom S.

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Tom S.
Good luck with your whiny, pretentious BS in getting out of your bottom
level job.

But Peter is an academic. Funded by the good people of NZ whether
they like it or not. His job is not "bottom level". It is paid
for independent of results, integrity, or correlation to reality.
I briefly spent some time in the academy. It's a marvelous place
full of very smart, often well intentioned people.

Who would last a day in the public sector, or whose business would flop
in the first financial period.

Not necessarily. A good many academics are bright, capable people
that need an injection of Reality into their world.

To me, that above statement is a contradiction.

[Tony]

Post by Tim Daneliuk
I have little doubt that Peter and I would have a wonderful time over
a bowl chatting about our views. The problem is that he doesn't have

I was curious about the "bowl" comment, then I realized this was crossed
with the pipe group. Never mind. :)

[NickyK]

Post by Ngo Dinh Diem

Post by Tim Daneliuk

Post by Starvin Marvin
In article

Post by NickyK
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years
to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get
it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it
right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right;
$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to
"the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years
to get it right and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it
right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence
on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of
$24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32
years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-
RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

   Thanks for posting the Conservative Corporatist talking points memo
for today, NickyK.
   I suppose, by implication, we should just let the models of
efficiency- like Enron, Haliburton, UnitedHealth Group, KBR, and
WalMart run everything without regulation, huh? You make me laugh.

I ordinarly ignore NickyK's stuff because he persists in being
rude by not marking his stuff as OT.  I'll make an exception in
I have personally spent a great deal of time working with Wal-Mart at
their HQ. I assure you that they: A) Run their company VERY
efficiently, B) They do so with very high levels of integrity and C)
They take very good care of their employees who largely love working
for them. Only the haughty children of affluence that have never had
to worry for much in their lives think Wal-Mart is a bad place.
I, for one, would love to outsource the entire administration of the
government to Wal-Mart. We'd cut government size in half and end up
making a profit while employing lots and lots of hard working
fellow-citizens in other, more productive, jobs.
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Oh that really is priceless. I loved the part where you said "They
take very good care of their employees who largely love working for
them". What is worrying is that you actually believe this nonsense.
Everyone knows that Walmart treats their employees like slaves, there
have been numerous documentaries, books and reports on their
behaviour. Their employees most certainly do not "love" working for
them, especially given the ghastly work hours, lack of adequate health
insurance plans (for which the American taxpayer subsidises Walmart)
and degrading treatment at the hands of petty middle managers. Most
work there out of utter desperation without any alternative, thus
making the "choice" an empty one at that.
Good luck convincing actual low-level employees of your ultra-
conservative views, I am sure they will take to them like a duck to
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Typical liberal/Union BS! Wal-Mart is the largest employer in the
WORLD.....of course they will have a few malcontents. It's people like
you who want to cripple a good company over a FEW who think/feel they
have been mistreated. If you look close at those who pull a slip &
fall or work long enough to get unemployment you will find they are
LIBERAL!